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		<title>By: loswhit</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2007/11/obama-on-my-mind/#comment-146169</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 06:32:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I am shutting the comments down for this post.  &quot;What?!&quot; has done exactly what we were trying to avoid.  
Thank you everyone who discussed responsibly and honorably.  
I just want to protect the integrity of the majority of the commentors on this post.
We can  not convince people one way or another on  blog.  That is for sure.
You guys ROCK!!!
Los</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I am shutting the comments down for this post.  &#8220;What?!&#8221; has done exactly what we were trying to avoid.<br />
Thank you everyone who discussed responsibly and honorably.<br />
I just want to protect the integrity of the majority of the commentors on this post.<br />
We can  not convince people one way or another on  blog.  That is for sure.<br />
You guys ROCK!!!<br />
Los</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2007/11/obama-on-my-mind/#comment-146162</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 06:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mr. or mrs anonymous what?!
You have been the exact thing that 82 people have tried to avoid on this site.  Spewing venom.  
Can you not see you are an embarassment to everything North Point stands for?
Your cowardliness is laughable.
This is a community of people who are not hiding anything.  
1.  you come in anonymous.  Which is cowardly.  Give us your first and last name.
2.  you come in attacking.
3.  you have spent way too long typing nonsense tonight instead of doing something useful with your time like praying for your unbelieving friends to accept Jesus.
Stop spewing and go do something useful with your fingers.
Please leave.
Mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mr. or mrs anonymous what?!<br />
You have been the exact thing that 82 people have tried to avoid on this site.  Spewing venom.<br />
Can you not see you are an embarassment to everything North Point stands for?<br />
Your cowardliness is laughable.<br />
This is a community of people who are not hiding anything.<br />
1.  you come in anonymous.  Which is cowardly.  Give us your first and last name.<br />
2.  you come in attacking.<br />
3.  you have spent way too long typing nonsense tonight instead of doing something useful with your time like praying for your unbelieving friends to accept Jesus.<br />
Stop spewing and go do something useful with your fingers.<br />
Please leave.<br />
Mark</p>
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		<title>By: What?</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2007/11/obama-on-my-mind/#comment-146158</link>
		<dc:creator>What?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 05:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have no idea what Billy Graham is praying for...please - what an insult that you assume to get into the mind of Billy Graham at this moment.

All I am trying to say that if you are a worship leader at Buckhead Church and you own a private website and you try to combine what you do at the church and mix it all in with your world view there is contrast here. The two do not mix very well. It gives the impression that North Point/ Buckhead / Brownsbridge are some political machine with people in a leadership position talking about things that do not mix well together. What doe Barack have to do with playing The Drummer Boy in a cool way? NOTHING!

Read Barack&#039;s church&#039;s mission statement and compare them with what Andy has to say. It is a contrast and I just happen to know that to be a fact. This is not a threat - a fact. Huge difference. I will know what Andy feels about this site and we will see if this is against his belief.

Once again you are trying to dumb down God and the Birth of Christ by making it about what you beleive. It cannot be that way. To those who much are given - much is expected. To lead the lost in the wrong direction is dangerous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have no idea what Billy Graham is praying for&#8230;please &#8211; what an insult that you assume to get into the mind of Billy Graham at this moment.</p>
<p>All I am trying to say that if you are a worship leader at Buckhead Church and you own a private website and you try to combine what you do at the church and mix it all in with your world view there is contrast here. The two do not mix very well. It gives the impression that North Point/ Buckhead / Brownsbridge are some political machine with people in a leadership position talking about things that do not mix well together. What doe Barack have to do with playing The Drummer Boy in a cool way? NOTHING!</p>
<p>Read Barack&#8217;s church&#8217;s mission statement and compare them with what Andy has to say. It is a contrast and I just happen to know that to be a fact. This is not a threat &#8211; a fact. Huge difference. I will know what Andy feels about this site and we will see if this is against his belief.</p>
<p>Once again you are trying to dumb down God and the Birth of Christ by making it about what you beleive. It cannot be that way. To those who much are given &#8211; much is expected. To lead the lost in the wrong direction is dangerous.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Graham is praying for What?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Billy Graham is praying for What?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 05:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a democrat...
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8326362/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Read This&lt;/a&gt;

Signed,
Billy Graham</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a democrat&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8326362/" rel="nofollow">Read This</a></p>
<p>Signed,<br />
Billy Graham</p>
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		<title>By: What?</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2007/11/obama-on-my-mind/#comment-146144</link>
		<dc:creator>What?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 05:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are now in America and we have a political system that is called a democracy. Where I disagree as to where this forum has been lost - it is in the fact that the operator of this forum got political and has linked songs played at Buckhead on his personal site. Where he is going wrong is using a public forum to link it to a Church where there is much disagreement going on now about his political views. There is a time and place for everything.

God made man, God also made Kings and put the President in the Whitehouse. The God I serve is in control and wars have been going on since Cain and Able - brother against brother.

What you don&#039;t use is your position at a church to impress others to think about a particular Candidate. That is not what Andy is all about. I happen to know that this is a fact. I also happen to know that many are disturbed over the fact that this website aligns itself with North Point/Browns Bridge and Buckhead Church. Something I know Andy would be in total disagreement with.

When leading followers to Christ the focus should be on Jesus - not on the messenger or his talent to be a worship leader. The light is on Los&#039;s way of looking at things and using his time of worship at Buckhead become the focal point of making him the star - therefore spotlighting Barack. This is misleading and I guarantee that Andy would not agree with this - I know he would not.

When we are deep rooted in a real relationship with the Living God - Christ Jesus you know the truth from the fluff. Your relationship with HIM does steer your political beliefs. It is woven together in your heart and soul. You can leave the dema-gog-gery for the weak minded to believe. All of this is to fluff up the operator of the site - not God. There have been war since God created the world and man fell in the Garden of Eden. We are to free the oppressed of Iraq so that 20 years from now a grateful generation of children will know that America set them free! Obama did not want this war because he chooses to be free of the scrutiny of being a Commander in Chief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are now in America and we have a political system that is called a democracy. Where I disagree as to where this forum has been lost &#8211; it is in the fact that the operator of this forum got political and has linked songs played at Buckhead on his personal site. Where he is going wrong is using a public forum to link it to a Church where there is much disagreement going on now about his political views. There is a time and place for everything.</p>
<p>God made man, God also made Kings and put the President in the Whitehouse. The God I serve is in control and wars have been going on since Cain and Able &#8211; brother against brother.</p>
<p>What you don&#8217;t use is your position at a church to impress others to think about a particular Candidate. That is not what Andy is all about. I happen to know that this is a fact. I also happen to know that many are disturbed over the fact that this website aligns itself with North Point/Browns Bridge and Buckhead Church. Something I know Andy would be in total disagreement with.</p>
<p>When leading followers to Christ the focus should be on Jesus &#8211; not on the messenger or his talent to be a worship leader. The light is on Los&#8217;s way of looking at things and using his time of worship at Buckhead become the focal point of making him the star &#8211; therefore spotlighting Barack. This is misleading and I guarantee that Andy would not agree with this &#8211; I know he would not.</p>
<p>When we are deep rooted in a real relationship with the Living God &#8211; Christ Jesus you know the truth from the fluff. Your relationship with HIM does steer your political beliefs. It is woven together in your heart and soul. You can leave the dema-gog-gery for the weak minded to believe. All of this is to fluff up the operator of the site &#8211; not God. There have been war since God created the world and man fell in the Garden of Eden. We are to free the oppressed of Iraq so that 20 years from now a grateful generation of children will know that America set them free! Obama did not want this war because he chooses to be free of the scrutiny of being a Commander in Chief.</p>
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		<title>By: CG</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2007/11/obama-on-my-mind/#comment-146141</link>
		<dc:creator>CG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 05:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What?
That kinda sounded threatening...? You might not be aware of this, but Andy hired Carlos...BECAUSE HE IS CARLOS. As a staff member, I can tell you that being real is valued way above office politics. 

Politically speaking, although I am a staunch conservative, I can tell you that it actually is possible to be an Obama follower and a Christian. In fact, in many ways, Democratic social policies are much more Christ-like than Republican policies...we mostly disagree on whose responsibility it is to solve those problems...the government or the free market? 

If your comments were intended to scare Carlos into being quiet...shame on you. Seriously, shame on you.  For dramatic effect...  ...  ...shame on you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What?<br />
That kinda sounded threatening&#8230;? You might not be aware of this, but Andy hired Carlos&#8230;BECAUSE HE IS CARLOS. As a staff member, I can tell you that being real is valued way above office politics. </p>
<p>Politically speaking, although I am a staunch conservative, I can tell you that it actually is possible to be an Obama follower and a Christian. In fact, in many ways, Democratic social policies are much more Christ-like than Republican policies&#8230;we mostly disagree on whose responsibility it is to solve those problems&#8230;the government or the free market? </p>
<p>If your comments were intended to scare Carlos into being quiet&#8230;shame on you. Seriously, shame on you.  For dramatic effect&#8230;  &#8230;  &#8230;shame on you.</p>
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		<title>By: loswhit</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2007/11/obama-on-my-mind/#comment-146128</link>
		<dc:creator>loswhit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 04:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JC -Well put.
What?! - um, well, thanks for your opinions?  I think.
Browns Bridge - Thanks for showing how to respectfully disagree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JC -Well put.<br />
What?! &#8211; um, well, thanks for your opinions?  I think.<br />
Browns Bridge &#8211; Thanks for showing how to respectfully disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2007/11/obama-on-my-mind/#comment-146123</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 04:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pipe it down fellows.

Carlos, way to initiate some thoughts! 

“What” I don’t agree with your statement “you cant be a Christian and be for Obama. 

I work at NP. I am not a republican and I am not a Democrat. 

I am just a person. A Christian (follower of Christ) Ahh.. I was born and raised in South America... What does that has to do with anything? Nothing. Other than, being born and raised in another country does give me a different perspective in politics than most Americans.

You see, in my world it is not about being Republican and/or Democrat. Just  people. And you use your liberty to choose the leader you want. That is why I respect Carlos. And disagree with the &quot;What&quot;

A Professor told me this in Seminary a few years ago. “Hold your position/conviction, leave room for the rest”

For example,  in America many Christians support the war. And some even think God chose America to free other people and so forth...  I don’t agree with that. That does not even sound Christian to me. However, I have great friends who support the war and all that stuff. I have a different position, but I leave room for other people. Why, because I don’t know it all. And someone may prove me wrong. So I try to walk humbly.

Here is my view on that.
If you see the history of the church, when the followers of Jesus were oppressed and persecuted, they fled to the next town. (And led more people to Jesus there:) but they never fought against any regime. It was simple. They used their civil liberties and when oppressed, they fled. And by the way, they were truly oppressed.

In America, I have seen a part of Christianity I never experienced before. People using Christianity to defend a political position. Can’t agree with that. That’s what the Catholic church did and we know how that went... I don’t think they have apologized yet, have they?

So, I say hold your conviction and leave room for the rest.  Use your liberties to choose who you think is best and leave room for the rest. 

The dialogue is healthy

That’s my 2 cents.

JC</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pipe it down fellows.</p>
<p>Carlos, way to initiate some thoughts! </p>
<p>“What” I don’t agree with your statement “you cant be a Christian and be for Obama. </p>
<p>I work at NP. I am not a republican and I am not a Democrat. </p>
<p>I am just a person. A Christian (follower of Christ) Ahh.. I was born and raised in South America&#8230; What does that has to do with anything? Nothing. Other than, being born and raised in another country does give me a different perspective in politics than most Americans.</p>
<p>You see, in my world it is not about being Republican and/or Democrat. Just  people. And you use your liberty to choose the leader you want. That is why I respect Carlos. And disagree with the &#8220;What&#8221;</p>
<p>A Professor told me this in Seminary a few years ago. “Hold your position/conviction, leave room for the rest”</p>
<p>For example,  in America many Christians support the war. And some even think God chose America to free other people and so forth&#8230;  I don’t agree with that. That does not even sound Christian to me. However, I have great friends who support the war and all that stuff. I have a different position, but I leave room for other people. Why, because I don’t know it all. And someone may prove me wrong. So I try to walk humbly.</p>
<p>Here is my view on that.<br />
If you see the history of the church, when the followers of Jesus were oppressed and persecuted, they fled to the next town. (And led more people to Jesus there:) but they never fought against any regime. It was simple. They used their civil liberties and when oppressed, they fled. And by the way, they were truly oppressed.</p>
<p>In America, I have seen a part of Christianity I never experienced before. People using Christianity to defend a political position. Can’t agree with that. That’s what the Catholic church did and we know how that went&#8230; I don’t think they have apologized yet, have they?</p>
<p>So, I say hold your conviction and leave room for the rest.  Use your liberties to choose who you think is best and leave room for the rest. </p>
<p>The dialogue is healthy</p>
<p>That’s my 2 cents.</p>
<p>JC</p>
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		<title>By: What?</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2007/11/obama-on-my-mind/#comment-146073</link>
		<dc:creator>What?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Know what they believe! Know that they believe you loose your salvation and are not born with sin. This is Barack Hussein Obama. Know him!

www.tucc.org

Mission Statement: What Trinity Is About

Trinity United Church of Christ has been called by God to be a congregation that is not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ and that does not apologize for its African roots! As a congregation of baptized believers, we are called to be agents of liberation not only for the oppressed, but for all of God’s family. We, as a church family, acknowledge, that we will, building on this affirmation of &quot;who we are&quot; and &quot;whose we are,&quot; call men, women, boys and girls to the liberating love of Jesus Christ, inviting them to become a part of the church universal, responding to Jesus’ command that we go into all the world and make disciples!

We are called out to be &quot;a chosen people&quot; that pays no attention to socio-economic or educational backgrounds. We are made up of the highly educated and the uneducated. Our congregation is a combination of the haves and the have-nots; the economically disadvantaged, the under-class, the unemployed and the employable.

The fortunate who are among us combine forces with the less fortunate to become agents of change for God who is not pleased with America’s economic mal-distribution!

W.E.B. DuBois indicated that the problem in the 20th century was going to be the problem of the color line. He was absolutely correct. Our job as servants of God is to address that problem and eradicate it in the name of Him who came for the whole world by calling all men, women, boys and girls to Christ.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Know what they believe! Know that they believe you loose your salvation and are not born with sin. This is Barack Hussein Obama. Know him!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.tucc.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.tucc.org</a></p>
<p>Mission Statement: What Trinity Is About</p>
<p>Trinity United Church of Christ has been called by God to be a congregation that is not ashamed of the gospel of Jesus Christ and that does not apologize for its African roots! As a congregation of baptized believers, we are called to be agents of liberation not only for the oppressed, but for all of God’s family. We, as a church family, acknowledge, that we will, building on this affirmation of &#8220;who we are&#8221; and &#8220;whose we are,&#8221; call men, women, boys and girls to the liberating love of Jesus Christ, inviting them to become a part of the church universal, responding to Jesus’ command that we go into all the world and make disciples!</p>
<p>We are called out to be &#8220;a chosen people&#8221; that pays no attention to socio-economic or educational backgrounds. We are made up of the highly educated and the uneducated. Our congregation is a combination of the haves and the have-nots; the economically disadvantaged, the under-class, the unemployed and the employable.</p>
<p>The fortunate who are among us combine forces with the less fortunate to become agents of change for God who is not pleased with America’s economic mal-distribution!</p>
<p>W.E.B. DuBois indicated that the problem in the 20th century was going to be the problem of the color line. He was absolutely correct. Our job as servants of God is to address that problem and eradicate it in the name of Him who came for the whole world by calling all men, women, boys and girls to Christ.</p>
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		<title>By: What?</title>
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		<dc:creator>What?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you serious?

If Andy reads this - Hi Andy we have met you know me. What I am concerned about is that you read this Andy and it is all okay with you. Would you allow your three kids to read what this guy has to say? His approach to God and the way he dumbs down North Point and represents Buckhead Church. Makes it seem more like a club than a place of worship - not good.

This has really distressed some people who know Andy well and some who have known him since he was a young boy. 

You cannot be for Obama and be a Christian. Do you even know anything about Barack&#039;s faith? His church? Very scary and contrary to North Point. You need to know where Obama&#039;s faith is about before you think he is the one. 

This is all a shame and I am dissapointed in Andy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you serious?</p>
<p>If Andy reads this &#8211; Hi Andy we have met you know me. What I am concerned about is that you read this Andy and it is all okay with you. Would you allow your three kids to read what this guy has to say? His approach to God and the way he dumbs down North Point and represents Buckhead Church. Makes it seem more like a club than a place of worship &#8211; not good.</p>
<p>This has really distressed some people who know Andy well and some who have known him since he was a young boy. </p>
<p>You cannot be for Obama and be a Christian. Do you even know anything about Barack&#8217;s faith? His church? Very scary and contrary to North Point. You need to know where Obama&#8217;s faith is about before you think he is the one. </p>
<p>This is all a shame and I am dissapointed in Andy.</p>
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