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	<title>Comments on: Drummer Boy Flattery &#8211; Buckhead Church</title>
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		<title>By: Lenee Ragsdale</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2007/12/drummer-boy-flattery-buckhead-church/#comment-151255</link>
		<dc:creator>Lenee Ragsdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 19:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, the trash can drums included my cousins - Chris Arias and Grayson Arias. Cool.

They didn&#039;t tell me about it - but glad to catch it here.

Lenee
Atlanta, GA</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, the trash can drums included my cousins &#8211; Chris Arias and Grayson Arias. Cool.</p>
<p>They didn&#8217;t tell me about it &#8211; but glad to catch it here.</p>
<p>Lenee<br />
Atlanta, GA</p>
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		<title>By: brenton mumford</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2007/12/drummer-boy-flattery-buckhead-church/#comment-147860</link>
		<dc:creator>brenton mumford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 16:05:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i know i already said this once, and this thread is likely dead, but i really feel strongly the use of the term &#039;worship&#039; is at the root of some of our miscommunication here.  the biblical definition of the word is not, in any way, limited to a sunday morning congregational singing sort of experience.  rather, every moment of every day, we are worshiping something ... saying that something isn&#039;t &quot;worship,&quot; in this context, is a senseless as saying that certain water isn&#039;t wet.  it&#039;s water - it&#039;s wet.  it may be frozen, or it may be gas, but that doesn&#039;t make it not wet.  similarly, it&#039;s life - it&#039;s worship.  we may be worshiping God, or we may be worshiping sex, or our kids, but we&#039;re still worshiping &lt;i&gt;something&lt;/i&gt;.

a valid argument, then, would be &quot;i feel like all the focus on the awesometude of the production takes away from the God-centered focus i like to have while attending a church service.  rather than worshiping God, i find myself worshiping the quality of the production, or even worshiping my own tastes or preconceived notions of how church should be.&quot;  that&#039;s where the discussion needs to start; categorizing something simply as &quot;not worship&quot; is not a sensible argument, and is more likely to inflame than inform.

(note:  my thoughts on this were basically lifted from the life-changing &quot;unceasing worship&quot; by harold best, which is such a wonderful book by such a godly man that, well, basically, you need to read it.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i know i already said this once, and this thread is likely dead, but i really feel strongly the use of the term &#8216;worship&#8217; is at the root of some of our miscommunication here.  the biblical definition of the word is not, in any way, limited to a sunday morning congregational singing sort of experience.  rather, every moment of every day, we are worshiping something &#8230; saying that something isn&#8217;t &#8220;worship,&#8221; in this context, is a senseless as saying that certain water isn&#8217;t wet.  it&#8217;s water &#8211; it&#8217;s wet.  it may be frozen, or it may be gas, but that doesn&#8217;t make it not wet.  similarly, it&#8217;s life &#8211; it&#8217;s worship.  we may be worshiping God, or we may be worshiping sex, or our kids, but we&#8217;re still worshiping <i>something</i>.</p>
<p>a valid argument, then, would be &#8220;i feel like all the focus on the awesometude of the production takes away from the God-centered focus i like to have while attending a church service.  rather than worshiping God, i find myself worshiping the quality of the production, or even worshiping my own tastes or preconceived notions of how church should be.&#8221;  that&#8217;s where the discussion needs to start; categorizing something simply as &#8220;not worship&#8221; is not a sensible argument, and is more likely to inflame than inform.</p>
<p>(note:  my thoughts on this were basically lifted from the life-changing &#8220;unceasing worship&#8221; by harold best, which is such a wonderful book by such a godly man that, well, basically, you need to read it.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Row</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2007/12/drummer-boy-flattery-buckhead-church/#comment-147692</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Row</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 06:53:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Los,

In response to your comment on my site regarding the missing &quot;over the top drummer boy&quot; blog entry, I had to redo the post because the embedded javascript didn&#039;t work w/ Blogger.

My revised post simply links to you.

FWIW, some of the above commentors are correct in saying that Lil&#039; Drummer Boy doesn&#039;t work as worship, but I don&#039;t think you guys were trying to pass off Lil Drummer Boy as worship.  I think you were using it in a presentation/performance manner to engage the audience, and I see nothing wrong with that.  An engaged audience is way better than a disconnected one that sleepwalks through service awaiting the final amen that frees them to leave and go do something interesting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Los,</p>
<p>In response to your comment on my site regarding the missing &#8220;over the top drummer boy&#8221; blog entry, I had to redo the post because the embedded javascript didn&#8217;t work w/ Blogger.</p>
<p>My revised post simply links to you.</p>
<p>FWIW, some of the above commentors are correct in saying that Lil&#8217; Drummer Boy doesn&#8217;t work as worship, but I don&#8217;t think you guys were trying to pass off Lil Drummer Boy as worship.  I think you were using it in a presentation/performance manner to engage the audience, and I see nothing wrong with that.  An engaged audience is way better than a disconnected one that sleepwalks through service awaiting the final amen that frees them to leave and go do something interesting.</p>
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		<title>By: Not from Californai</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2007/12/drummer-boy-flattery-buckhead-church/#comment-147614</link>
		<dc:creator>Not from Californai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 04:12:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also am in the camp of wanting some discussion on how over-the-top production = church. I don&#039;t have an issue with using secular songs, and from their comments, it appears that this is NOT the issue Daniel and Valtool are raising, either, so I&#039;m not sure it makes sense to spend a post talking about it.

I could be wrong, but I think the question is: does high-powered, highly-produced entertainment = church. It seems to me that is what others are asking, and I&#039;m also interested in the question.

I&#039;m also interested in an exploration of the implications of that question, like when does &#039;relevance&#039; and &#039;speaking to the culture&#039; cross the line from what the church is called to do, and what individuals are called to do (i.e. pure religion as defined in james as ministering to widows and orphans) to &#039;spiritualized&#039; entertainment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also am in the camp of wanting some discussion on how over-the-top production = church. I don&#8217;t have an issue with using secular songs, and from their comments, it appears that this is NOT the issue Daniel and Valtool are raising, either, so I&#8217;m not sure it makes sense to spend a post talking about it.</p>
<p>I could be wrong, but I think the question is: does high-powered, highly-produced entertainment = church. It seems to me that is what others are asking, and I&#8217;m also interested in the question.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also interested in an exploration of the implications of that question, like when does &#8216;relevance&#8217; and &#8216;speaking to the culture&#8217; cross the line from what the church is called to do, and what individuals are called to do (i.e. pure religion as defined in james as ministering to widows and orphans) to &#8216;spiritualized&#8217; entertainment?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2007/12/drummer-boy-flattery-buckhead-church/#comment-147465</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could care less whether or not you use secular songs in church.  the actual comment I would like to hear a response to is:

&quot;when you darken the room, crank the amps, and synch the professional concert lighting, you are entertaining and performing, not worshiping and leading the congregation.&quot;

That is a different blog post entirely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could care less whether or not you use secular songs in church.  the actual comment I would like to hear a response to is:</p>
<p>&#8220;when you darken the room, crank the amps, and synch the professional concert lighting, you are entertaining and performing, not worshiping and leading the congregation.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is a different blog post entirely.</p>
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		<title>By: Caleb</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2007/12/drummer-boy-flattery-buckhead-church/#comment-147460</link>
		<dc:creator>Caleb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 21:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh My Gosh!

This morning was insane @ BBCC.

One of the dudes with the trashcans trashcan fell off(that reads weird oh well)... Like the rope came undone or something. He totally improv&#039;d it and went nuts and was like holding it up high and beating on it like a mad man.....

Also, I liked Danny Dukes this morning singing it better than the other dude and buckhead.

And Finally, in my opinion, the vocal mix could have been bumped up a little bit. But thats just me.


Anyway, awesome job production peoples!

-cD

Ooo! One more! I had never seen the ornament chandeliers until this morning. Those are basically like awesome too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh My Gosh!</p>
<p>This morning was insane @ BBCC.</p>
<p>One of the dudes with the trashcans trashcan fell off(that reads weird oh well)&#8230; Like the rope came undone or something. He totally improv&#8217;d it and went nuts and was like holding it up high and beating on it like a mad man&#8230;..</p>
<p>Also, I liked Danny Dukes this morning singing it better than the other dude and buckhead.</p>
<p>And Finally, in my opinion, the vocal mix could have been bumped up a little bit. But thats just me.</p>
<p>Anyway, awesome job production peoples!</p>
<p>-cD</p>
<p>Ooo! One more! I had never seen the ornament chandeliers until this morning. Those are basically like awesome too.</p>
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		<title>By: loswhit</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2007/12/drummer-boy-flattery-buckhead-church/#comment-147192</link>
		<dc:creator>loswhit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 05:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because every time it has turned into an argument.  And blogs are a horrible place to try and convince others of things.  Conversation like these are best discussed with actual voices.  Believe me.  I have tried.
BUT.  Look for a blog post explaining the reason why we use secular songs to engage people at the beginning of a service soon!!!
Thanks for your input.
Los</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because every time it has turned into an argument.  And blogs are a horrible place to try and convince others of things.  Conversation like these are best discussed with actual voices.  Believe me.  I have tried.<br />
BUT.  Look for a blog post explaining the reason why we use secular songs to engage people at the beginning of a service soon!!!<br />
Thanks for your input.<br />
Los</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2007/12/drummer-boy-flattery-buckhead-church/#comment-147190</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Dec 2007 05:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m interested in answers to the questions that Valtool raised, and I&#039;m also wondering why it&#039;s not a blog discussion.  What exactly qualifies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m interested in answers to the questions that Valtool raised, and I&#8217;m also wondering why it&#8217;s not a blog discussion.  What exactly qualifies?</p>
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		<title>By: Loran</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2007/12/drummer-boy-flattery-buckhead-church/#comment-146695</link>
		<dc:creator>Loran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 05:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Los
Awesome job.  You&#039;ve got a great team.  Buckhead church is a great church and you&#039;re reaching a ton of people in ATL who otherwise are not being reached.  Keep it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Los<br />
Awesome job.  You&#8217;ve got a great team.  Buckhead church is a great church and you&#8217;re reaching a ton of people in ATL who otherwise are not being reached.  Keep it up.</p>
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		<title>By: JTCrespo</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2007/12/drummer-boy-flattery-buckhead-church/#comment-146470</link>
		<dc:creator>JTCrespo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 21:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Los, I thought it was awesome... 

It was a great little gift to give everyone as an opener.  The band and production crew did a wonderful job on the 3 worship songs after it as well.  I can&#039;t say enough about the closer.  The fact that Meghan&#039;s story was told before the message and then she was able to sing about how God shows Himself to her was incredibly moving to me.  I felt closer to God after it all.  Thank you for your passion and the energy you are adding to the staff and volunteers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Los, I thought it was awesome&#8230; </p>
<p>It was a great little gift to give everyone as an opener.  The band and production crew did a wonderful job on the 3 worship songs after it as well.  I can&#8217;t say enough about the closer.  The fact that Meghan&#8217;s story was told before the message and then she was able to sing about how God shows Himself to her was incredibly moving to me.  I felt closer to God after it all.  Thank you for your passion and the energy you are adding to the staff and volunteers.</p>
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