Comments on: Jon Tyson – The Death of the Alpha Male Pastor http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/02/jon-tyson-the-death-of-the-alpha-male-pastor/ Carlos Whittaker's Weblog Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:05:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Pol52 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/02/jon-tyson-the-death-of-the-alpha-male-pastor/#comment-305844 Pol52 Thu, 22 Oct 2009 22:17:37 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=4205#comment-305844 And I am not a rarity, it was common. , And I am not a rarity, it was common. ,

]]> By: Jerry http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/02/jon-tyson-the-death-of-the-alpha-male-pastor/#comment-197939 Jerry Sat, 10 May 2008 19:48:32 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=4205#comment-197939 A lot of the comments revolve around larger churches where multiple staff and shared leadership is possible. But in many small churches the alpha leader almost becomes a necessity until and if additional leadership from inside our out can be added. In the small church a pastor really needs to focus on raising up and discipling leadership of qualified people so that he isn't the only go-to guy. Having said that I also have to say that part of the problem is human nature. irrespective of how hard we may try certain people will gravitate to a particular pastor. The real test for the pastor is how he lets that affect his image of himself and his ministry. And lastly, there may be some situations in which the alpha leader/prophet may be necessary. I was just reading about Nehemiah's difficulty in getting leaders to be leaders. Sometimes being a responsible leader is about as easy as nailing jello to the wall. A lot of the comments revolve around larger churches where multiple staff and shared leadership is possible. But in many small churches the alpha leader almost becomes a necessity until and if additional leadership from inside our out can be added. In the small church a pastor really needs to focus on raising up and discipling leadership of qualified people so that he isn’t the only go-to guy. Having said that I also have to say that part of the problem is human nature. irrespective of how hard we may try certain people will gravitate to a particular pastor. The real test for the pastor is how he lets that affect his image of himself and his ministry. And lastly, there may be some situations in which the alpha leader/prophet may be necessary. I was just reading about Nehemiah’s difficulty in getting leaders to be leaders. Sometimes being a responsible leader is about as easy as nailing jello to the wall.

]]> By: erabrwkpun http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/02/jon-tyson-the-death-of-the-alpha-male-pastor/#comment-197444 erabrwkpun Thu, 08 May 2008 04:17:23 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=4205#comment-197444 Wow, cool man, big thanks! <a href="http://pejhiqpoqkkywo.com" rel="nofollow">http://pejhiqpoqkkywo.com</a> Wow, cool man, big thanks! http://pejhiqpoqkkywo.com

]]> By: Gene Strother http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/02/jon-tyson-the-death-of-the-alpha-male-pastor/#comment-173448 Gene Strother Wed, 27 Feb 2008 03:29:48 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=4205#comment-173448 I think this is evidence of the fact that God is not limited to a single blueprint when accomplishing His purposes in the world. One model does not have to be wrong or obselete in order for another to be valid. Good stuff. Gene Strother http://firstnetchurch.com PS - I am linking to your blog in hopes that our members and site visitors will find you as engaging and interesting as I. I think this is evidence of the fact that God is not limited to a single blueprint when accomplishing His purposes in the world. One model does not have to be wrong or obselete in order for another to be valid.

Good stuff.

Gene Strother
http://firstnetchurch.com

PS – I am linking to your blog in hopes that our members and site visitors will find you as engaging and interesting as I.

]]> By: BTrip http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/02/jon-tyson-the-death-of-the-alpha-male-pastor/#comment-169266 BTrip Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:28:33 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=4205#comment-169266 I have to say that i was in that room... and it was one of the most refreshing conversations i have had about the future of the church. He followed is point with the idea that "we are not called to change the world... but to create culture." If we are creating a culture where the body of christ as a whole is taking ownership in the its movement... then i think we will nee a nautual culture shift away from the CEO driven Alpha male leadership modle. Because then... people wont just go to church... they will be the church! http://bobbytriplett.com I have to say that i was in that room… and it was one of the most refreshing conversations i have had about the future of the church.

He followed is point with the idea that “we are not called to change the world… but to create culture.” If we are creating a culture where the body of christ as a whole is taking ownership in the its movement… then i think we will nee a nautual culture shift away from the CEO driven Alpha male leadership modle.

Because then… people wont just go to church… they will be the church!
http://bobbytriplett.com

]]> By: gbrad@mag http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/02/jon-tyson-the-death-of-the-alpha-male-pastor/#comment-168791 gbrad@mag Tue, 12 Feb 2008 13:07:18 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=4205#comment-168791 From what I read in the New covenant. . . preach Christ, those who become believers meet every day and love on each other, teach each The Way, go out and preach Christ, bring in more. Acts 2:42 . . . GOD makes it simple, we make it complicated From what I read in the New covenant. . . preach Christ, those who become believers meet every day and love on each other, teach each The Way, go out and preach Christ, bring in more. Acts 2:42 . . . GOD makes it simple, we make it complicated

]]> By: metromom.org http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/02/jon-tyson-the-death-of-the-alpha-male-pastor/#comment-167609 metromom.org Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:16:32 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=4205#comment-167609 Lots of thoughts and lots of opinions...good...bad...true...false. No matter how you see it...no matter how you DO it: Let's make it about the "GOD of MAN" and not the "MAN of GOD." Lots of thoughts and lots of opinions…good…bad…true…false. No matter how you see it…no matter how you DO it:

Let’s make it about the “GOD of MAN” and not the “MAN of GOD.”

]]> By: ryan http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/02/jon-tyson-the-death-of-the-alpha-male-pastor/#comment-167544 ryan Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:19:15 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=4205#comment-167544 nice thoughts, caroline. nice thoughts, caroline.

]]> By: Zack http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/02/jon-tyson-the-death-of-the-alpha-male-pastor/#comment-167514 Zack Fri, 08 Feb 2008 12:37:12 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=4205#comment-167514 Mark Driscoll drives this point home all the time. After years of doing the Acts29 thing, he says that they have found that when it comes to a church's health, the budget, staff, location, resources, etc don't matter 1/10 as much as the man leading the whole thing. If he's anointed, surrendered and on a mission, it's probably going to work. If he isn't, then it probably won't. Mark Driscoll drives this point home all the time. After years of doing the Acts29 thing, he says that they have found that when it comes to a church’s health, the budget, staff, location, resources, etc don’t matter 1/10 as much as the man leading the whole thing. If he’s anointed, surrendered and on a mission, it’s probably going to work. If he isn’t, then it probably won’t.

]]> By: carolyn http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/02/jon-tyson-the-death-of-the-alpha-male-pastor/#comment-167396 carolyn Fri, 08 Feb 2008 04:28:44 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=4205#comment-167396 man.... why did i start reading this before bed? i've read about half the comments and i'm tired. so please forgive me if my thoughts overlap with someone else's. i have to get this out of my head so i can sleep. 1. i think the rough concept of the alpha male is biblical. god typically chose an individual rather than a team of individuals to set the vision. honestly, i can't think of any team or co-leaders in the bible. there were leaders with great leaders underneath them... but in the end there was one with the final word. someone please correct me if you can think of something. 2. i think a really good leader's first instinct is to raise up and empower other leaders around him. it has been written in more than one leadership book that a true indicator of the strength of a leader is the strength of the leaders he draws along side of him. the goal of leadership is to reproduce. otherwise what's the point except to take a huge ego trip? which is obviously not the goal for the church. 3. i don't think any leader should be concerned with replacing apples with apples. the goal of leadership is not to produce clones of one's self but to empower, guide and inspire other leaders to find their own voice. 4. good leaders are good vision casters. to be a good vision caster you can only have leaders on board who are in step with the vision. gifts, abilities, perspective, voice, personality can all enjoy a great deal of latitude as long as the leader is the leader and has set the vision. 5. even in the best case scenario with a leader raising up other leaders with clear vision.... change is never easy. 1 leader, 5 or 20. change is uncomfortable. and there is nothing quite as uncomfortable as changing leadership - no matter if it was for a good reason or not. but then again, sometimes god likes us to be uncomfortable. there. it's out of my head. i hope i can go to sleep now. this is a great discussion. man…. why did i start reading this before bed?
i’ve read about half the comments and i’m tired. so please forgive me if my thoughts overlap with someone else’s. i have to get this out of my head so i can sleep.

1. i think the rough concept of the alpha male is biblical. god typically chose an individual rather than a team of individuals to set the vision. honestly, i can’t think of any team or co-leaders in the bible. there were leaders with great leaders underneath them… but in the end there was one with the final word. someone please correct me if you can think of something.

2. i think a really good leader’s first instinct is to raise up and empower other leaders around him. it has been written in more than one leadership book that a true indicator of the strength of a leader is the strength of the leaders he draws along side of him. the goal of leadership is to reproduce. otherwise what’s the point except to take a huge ego trip? which is obviously not the goal for the church.

3. i don’t think any leader should be concerned with replacing apples with apples. the goal of leadership is not to produce clones of one’s self but to empower, guide and inspire other leaders to find their own voice.

4. good leaders are good vision casters. to be a good vision caster you can only have leaders on board who are in step with the vision. gifts, abilities, perspective, voice, personality can all enjoy a great deal of latitude as long as the leader is the leader and has set the vision.

5. even in the best case scenario with a leader raising up other leaders with clear vision…. change is never easy. 1 leader, 5 or 20. change is uncomfortable. and there is nothing quite as uncomfortable as changing leadership – no matter if it was for a good reason or not. but then again, sometimes god likes us to be uncomfortable.

there. it’s out of my head. i hope i can go to sleep now. this is a great discussion.

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