Comments on: Kill It http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/07/kill-it/ Carlos Whittaker's Weblog Thu, 09 Feb 2012 18:54:03 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Summer Kelly http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/07/kill-it/#comment-214011 Summer Kelly Fri, 11 Jul 2008 19:58:10 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=5508#comment-214011 Well, Petey and Vince, I just have to say that I feel kind of sorry for you. It's apparent from your comments that you are genuinely frustrated with the nature of YOUR Church youth programs. Your error is in assuming that ALL churches are this ineffective with their youth ministries. MY CHURCH has an awesome youth ministry where our youth not only learns the word and experiences great worship, but they are: *working in the inner city: painting houses, mowing lawns, handing out groceries, picking up trash. *traveling to foreign countries to work as missionaries for 1-2 weeks at a time. *Handing out bottled water on the hot streets of Baton Rouge to drivers who are wary from sitting in traffic *Witnessing to students on the college campus *Working in our Dream Center warehouse, sorting groceries and paper goods to give to the homeless and poor *Participating in our homeless breakfast outreach each Thursday morning OUR Youth ministry (Pathfinders & Refuge) are anything BUT a "babysitting" service! We ARE teaching these kids to become the ministers and servants of tomorrow. In a world that is so self-serving, I think that is pretty awesome and definitely money well-spent. Well, Petey and Vince,

I just have to say that I feel kind of sorry for you.

It’s apparent from your comments that you are genuinely frustrated with the nature of YOUR Church youth programs.
Your error is in assuming that ALL churches are this ineffective with their youth ministries.

MY CHURCH has an awesome youth ministry where our youth not only learns the word and experiences great worship, but they are:
*working in the inner city: painting houses, mowing lawns, handing out groceries, picking up trash.

*traveling to foreign countries to work as missionaries for 1-2 weeks at a time.

*Handing out bottled water on the hot streets of Baton Rouge to drivers who are wary from sitting in traffic

*Witnessing to students on the college campus

*Working in our Dream Center warehouse, sorting groceries and paper goods to give to the homeless and poor

*Participating in our homeless breakfast outreach each Thursday morning

OUR Youth ministry (Pathfinders & Refuge) are anything BUT a “babysitting” service!
We ARE teaching these kids to become the ministers and servants of tomorrow.
In a world that is so self-serving, I think that is pretty awesome and definitely money well-spent.

]]> By: Kenia http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/07/kill-it/#comment-213884 Kenia Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:10:27 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=5508#comment-213884 Petey and Duane , Thanks for explaining :) I really do appreciate it . You are all more than welcome to come and see what God is doing with the youth in New York City. Petey and Duane ,

Thanks for explaining :) I really do appreciate it .

You are all more than welcome to come and see what God is doing with the youth in New York City.

]]> By: Rob http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/07/kill-it/#comment-213875 Rob Fri, 11 Jul 2008 05:46:50 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=5508#comment-213875 This is getting interesting! This is getting interesting!

]]> By: Marvin Nelson http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/07/kill-it/#comment-213629 Marvin Nelson Wed, 09 Jul 2008 19:26:17 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=5508#comment-213629 No problem guys, just sharing my heart and passion. Petey, it's all good. and Duane, thanks for the prod to flesh out...it's important! No problem guys, just sharing my heart and passion. Petey, it’s all good. and Duane, thanks for the prod to flesh out…it’s important!

]]> By: petey*crowder http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/07/kill-it/#comment-213624 petey*crowder Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:59:18 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=5508#comment-213624 yeah, and I really don't mean to be so snarky. Sorry. It's the result of the nature of short comments. I think youth ministry is valuable when it's mode is good. yeah, and I really don’t mean to be so snarky. Sorry. It’s the result of the nature of short comments. I think youth ministry is valuable when it’s mode is good.

]]> By: Duane http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/07/kill-it/#comment-213622 Duane Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:45:34 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=5508#comment-213622 Marvin I appreciate you fleshing out your disagreement... Just to clear up... I did not mean to imply that I have a problem with youth ministry or a problem with any church having age specific ministries... I simply wanted to make sure that we fleshed out our arguments and disagreements with more than..."they are the future so therefore it is ridiculous for someone to think that youth ministry should be axed..." Marvin

I appreciate you fleshing out your disagreement…

Just to clear up…
I did not mean to imply that I have a problem with youth ministry or a problem with any church having age specific ministries…
I simply wanted to make sure that we fleshed out our arguments and disagreements with more than…”they are the future so therefore it is ridiculous for someone to think that youth ministry should be axed…”

]]> By: petey*crowder http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/07/kill-it/#comment-213621 petey*crowder Wed, 09 Jul 2008 18:41:45 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=5508#comment-213621 Or, maybe it has nothing to do with my church. Maybe I think the church should be helping youth become ministers rather than hiring a bunch of people to "minister" to the youth. But it's not just youth ministry, it's the entire church. Youth ministry just seems to be the most common area of churches where it's the polar opposite of that... Or, maybe it has nothing to do with my church. Maybe I think the church should be helping youth become ministers rather than hiring a bunch of people to “minister” to the youth. But it’s not just youth ministry, it’s the entire church. Youth ministry just seems to be the most common area of churches where it’s the polar opposite of that…

]]> By: Marvin Nelson http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/07/kill-it/#comment-213588 Marvin Nelson Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:39:11 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=5508#comment-213588 Petey and Duane: Maybe you have very poor ideas or models of what youth ministry is. What it should be is a ministry that reaches youth, but is ALSO involved with the larger church, to be a large part of the body. Sitting in church may achieve the same end for your "churched" student but try and get a non-Christian teen to go to that...sorry to tell you it won;t happen for your average teen. Youth Ministry Duane is very Biblical...there are different models. I currently work in an Outreach, service model. Where we get kids in, introduce them to Christ, disciple them, and then allow them to serve along side the adults. Petey, the babysitting sucking down resources sounds like you re pigeon holing your own church and honestly I think you're bitter. Maybe (not meaning to be a jerk or anything) but maybe you should pray and seek why you're so bitter. Petey and Duane: Maybe you have very poor ideas or models of what youth ministry is. What it should be is a ministry that reaches youth, but is ALSO involved with the larger church, to be a large part of the body. Sitting in church may achieve the same end for your “churched” student but try and get a non-Christian teen to go to that…sorry to tell you it won;t happen for your average teen. Youth Ministry Duane is very Biblical…there are different models. I currently work in an Outreach, service model. Where we get kids in, introduce them to Christ, disciple them, and then allow them to serve along side the adults.
Petey, the babysitting sucking down resources sounds like you re pigeon holing your own church and honestly I think you’re bitter. Maybe (not meaning to be a jerk or anything) but maybe you should pray and seek why you’re so bitter.

]]> By: rick http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/07/kill-it/#comment-213578 rick Wed, 09 Jul 2008 13:45:55 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=5508#comment-213578 ANYTHING THAT BEGINS WITH "40 DAYS OF____" ANYTHING THAT BEGINS WITH “40 DAYS OF____”

]]> By: Valtool http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/07/kill-it/#comment-213554 Valtool Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:23:09 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=5508#comment-213554 I can sacrifice the bulletin easily. When I attended a traditional UMC it was useful for knowing how many more things there were to do before the watch alarms started going off at noon. At my current church it's like others have said. Same stuff, different week and anything THAT important is on the video screen. Second, do we really need the miniature mission control, sound/light/dopler weather neighborhood skytrack 2,000,000 set up in the "sanctuary" AND the "theater" (which is not even being used for the Summer? I can sacrifice the bulletin easily. When I attended a traditional UMC it was useful for knowing how many more things there were to do before the watch alarms started going off at noon. At my current church it’s like others have said. Same stuff, different week and anything THAT important is on the video screen.

Second, do we really need the miniature mission control, sound/light/dopler weather neighborhood skytrack 2,000,000 set up in the “sanctuary” AND the “theater” (which is not even being used for the Summer?

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