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		<title>By: Emmaline</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/09/healer-apology/#comment-262693</link>
		<dc:creator>Emmaline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 00:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: WendyK</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/09/healer-apology/#comment-229781</link>
		<dc:creator>WendyK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 19:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I&#039;m not downplaying the seriousness of this man&#039;s sin (lying), it&#039;s kind of sad to see so many Christians so quick to judge and condemn. What&#039;s really sad is that our (the church&#039;s) quick judgment likely contributed to his choice to invent a physical illness, rather than be honest and open about his spiritual illness. Is it possible (I think likely) that he felt he would only be accepted by Christians if he were physically dying, but would likely be rejected in telling the truth of his spiritual condition?

Lying is sin. No argument. While most have not done this on this magnitude and public scale, we have all sinned, and fall short. Yet we are so quick to judge, reject, and throw away. 

This song, and this story, points to the healing that needs to take place within the church. We need mercy. We need grace. We need forgiveness. We need acceptance. We need reconciliation. Not only from Christ for our sins. But for each other for theirs.

Perhaps he felt the necessity to lie because too many in the church do not show mercy, grace, forgiveness, or acceptance for people bound in sexual and other sin. It is the dark stuff that we prefer to ignore, cover up, and then rant and rave when a public figure falls.

Amazing how so many are only willing to forgive after they have received a &quot;sincere&quot; apology. Yet, while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. It is that kindness that leads us to repentance.

Perhaps if we showed kindness, love, gentleness, mercy, grace, unconditional acceptance, then people, yes, even leaders, might feel more confident in sharing their real struggles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I&#8217;m not downplaying the seriousness of this man&#8217;s sin (lying), it&#8217;s kind of sad to see so many Christians so quick to judge and condemn. What&#8217;s really sad is that our (the church&#8217;s) quick judgment likely contributed to his choice to invent a physical illness, rather than be honest and open about his spiritual illness. Is it possible (I think likely) that he felt he would only be accepted by Christians if he were physically dying, but would likely be rejected in telling the truth of his spiritual condition?</p>
<p>Lying is sin. No argument. While most have not done this on this magnitude and public scale, we have all sinned, and fall short. Yet we are so quick to judge, reject, and throw away. </p>
<p>This song, and this story, points to the healing that needs to take place within the church. We need mercy. We need grace. We need forgiveness. We need acceptance. We need reconciliation. Not only from Christ for our sins. But for each other for theirs.</p>
<p>Perhaps he felt the necessity to lie because too many in the church do not show mercy, grace, forgiveness, or acceptance for people bound in sexual and other sin. It is the dark stuff that we prefer to ignore, cover up, and then rant and rave when a public figure falls.</p>
<p>Amazing how so many are only willing to forgive after they have received a &#8220;sincere&#8221; apology. Yet, while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. It is that kindness that leads us to repentance.</p>
<p>Perhaps if we showed kindness, love, gentleness, mercy, grace, unconditional acceptance, then people, yes, even leaders, might feel more confident in sharing their real struggles.</p>
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		<title>By: merritt</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/09/healer-apology/#comment-229643</link>
		<dc:creator>merritt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 02:32:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some coworkers and I had a discussion about this when it first came out. We eventually reached the conclusion that even though it was born out of falsehood, the message- that God is our healer and all we need- is still very much true.

Also, while on a much larger scale, isn&#039;t this similar to most worship leaders when they stand in front of people and lead them in songs that may not be true in their own life?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some coworkers and I had a discussion about this when it first came out. We eventually reached the conclusion that even though it was born out of falsehood, the message- that God is our healer and all we need- is still very much true.</p>
<p>Also, while on a much larger scale, isn&#8217;t this similar to most worship leaders when they stand in front of people and lead them in songs that may not be true in their own life?</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy Ricketts</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/09/healer-apology/#comment-229593</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeremy Ricketts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 21:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Josh- I think motives do matter.  A lot.

If you were drowning in a river and I jumped in to save you, people would see this as a heroic act of benevolence. And rightly so. The end result is that you would be saved.

If you were drowning in a river and I jumped in to save you, only so that I could torture you, people would see this as an act of evil. And rightly so. The end result is that you would be saved.  Just because someone stopped me from torturing you, doesn&#039;t change the act of saving you as an evil act.

In morality, it&#039;s not only the ends that matter. We should do the right thing not just because of some cold, calculated result... but because DOING the right thing IS right.

You see this in Jesus ALL the time. He&#039;s less concerned about the results of some action or law, and is more concerned with the heart of the person acting.

I guess what I&#039;m saying is, I think in one important sense, Paul is wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Josh- I think motives do matter.  A lot.</p>
<p>If you were drowning in a river and I jumped in to save you, people would see this as a heroic act of benevolence. And rightly so. The end result is that you would be saved.</p>
<p>If you were drowning in a river and I jumped in to save you, only so that I could torture you, people would see this as an act of evil. And rightly so. The end result is that you would be saved.  Just because someone stopped me from torturing you, doesn&#8217;t change the act of saving you as an evil act.</p>
<p>In morality, it&#8217;s not only the ends that matter. We should do the right thing not just because of some cold, calculated result&#8230; but because DOING the right thing IS right.</p>
<p>You see this in Jesus ALL the time. He&#8217;s less concerned about the results of some action or law, and is more concerned with the heart of the person acting.</p>
<p>I guess what I&#8217;m saying is, I think in one important sense, Paul is wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Gurley</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/09/healer-apology/#comment-229456</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Gurley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 03:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love what Paul has to say about people&#039;s motives for preaching the Gospel. 

Philippians Ch 1:

15It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16The latter do so in love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains.18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

Verse 18 is the is where the rubber meets the road for the &quot;Healer&quot; story, and more importantly for our attitude towards it... I love Paul&#039;s heart... even if it meant trouble for him... as long as the Gospel was preached.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love what Paul has to say about people&#8217;s motives for preaching the Gospel. </p>
<p>Philippians Ch 1:</p>
<p>15It is true that some preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill. 16The latter do so in love, knowing that I am put here for the defense of the gospel. 17The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains.18 But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.</p>
<p>Verse 18 is the is where the rubber meets the road for the &#8220;Healer&#8221; story, and more importantly for our attitude towards it&#8230; I love Paul&#8217;s heart&#8230; even if it meant trouble for him&#8230; as long as the Gospel was preached.</p>
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		<title>By: jenn lee</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/09/healer-apology/#comment-229399</link>
		<dc:creator>jenn lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 20:07:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My heart breaks for him...but gives new meaning to the song &quot;Healer&quot;.  I, of course, always thought of the song from the perspective of someone needing healing from a terminal illness or physical problem in general.  This song brings new meaning and freedom to all those that, along with Mike G., need God to be their healer of devastating addictions, emotional disease, and psychological battles.  The song is still powerful, and I believe God will still use it to deliver people.  Mike G.&#039;s prayer was sincere, he just masked the place where he was crying out from with something that might be a little more acceptable and easier to swallow by the church.  Mike, God is still your healer, and nothing is impossible for him...not even a life crippling addiction to porn!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My heart breaks for him&#8230;but gives new meaning to the song &#8220;Healer&#8221;.  I, of course, always thought of the song from the perspective of someone needing healing from a terminal illness or physical problem in general.  This song brings new meaning and freedom to all those that, along with Mike G., need God to be their healer of devastating addictions, emotional disease, and psychological battles.  The song is still powerful, and I believe God will still use it to deliver people.  Mike G.&#8217;s prayer was sincere, he just masked the place where he was crying out from with something that might be a little more acceptable and easier to swallow by the church.  Mike, God is still your healer, and nothing is impossible for him&#8230;not even a life crippling addiction to porn!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. Police Man</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/09/healer-apology/#comment-229285</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. Police Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 08:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039; ve look but could not find. I&#039;d love to see Hillsongs reaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217; ve look but could not find. I&#8217;d love to see Hillsongs reaction.</p>
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		<title>By: DenOfThieves</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/09/healer-apology/#comment-228828</link>
		<dc:creator>DenOfThieves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:31:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rachel - the song was written by a liar, a fake a and great deceiver. But your &#039;Pop Christianity&#039; is disturbing.
You are easily deceived. 

If Marilyn Manson had written the song would you feel different about it? or would you say &#039;God still works through imperfect people&quot;.
You would probably say it was blasphemy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rachel &#8211; the song was written by a liar, a fake a and great deceiver. But your &#8216;Pop Christianity&#8217; is disturbing.<br />
You are easily deceived. </p>
<p>If Marilyn Manson had written the song would you feel different about it? or would you say &#8216;God still works through imperfect people&#8221;.<br />
You would probably say it was blasphemy.</p>
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		<title>By: Dustin</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/09/healer-apology/#comment-228771</link>
		<dc:creator>Dustin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 22:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The story seemed very condemning towards him because of his actions. I believe that he&#039;s in the same boat everyone else is in or has been in. Who hasn&#039;t tried to live two lives, hide things from those we care about, and try to deceive to avoid the truth of how imperfect we are? I don&#039;t hold any hostility, anger, or bitterness to him. He wrote an amazing song that is inspiring to thousands, maybe even millions of people. I think it&#039;s great that he is being helped and would like to see more support for him in his recovery.

Remember: in our weakness, He is made stronger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The story seemed very condemning towards him because of his actions. I believe that he&#8217;s in the same boat everyone else is in or has been in. Who hasn&#8217;t tried to live two lives, hide things from those we care about, and try to deceive to avoid the truth of how imperfect we are? I don&#8217;t hold any hostility, anger, or bitterness to him. He wrote an amazing song that is inspiring to thousands, maybe even millions of people. I think it&#8217;s great that he is being helped and would like to see more support for him in his recovery.</p>
<p>Remember: in our weakness, He is made stronger.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott Overpeck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott Overpeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Verily verily I say to you, any man that speaketh from behind a unabomber beard, beleiveth not what comes from behind said beard, for it is the beard that distorts all truth into lies as it has forever been it shall for ever be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Verily verily I say to you, any man that speaketh from behind a unabomber beard, beleiveth not what comes from behind said beard, for it is the beard that distorts all truth into lies as it has forever been it shall for ever be.</p>
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