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	<title>Comments on: Innovation Manipulation</title>
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		<title>By: bryonm</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/09/innovation-manipulation/#comment-235078</link>
		<dc:creator>bryonm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 04:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Los,
Thanks for pointing out this article. I worked in a portable church for over a decade. Innovation is what it took just to pull things off week in and week out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Los,<br />
Thanks for pointing out this article. I worked in a portable church for over a decade. Innovation is what it took just to pull things off week in and week out.</p>
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		<title>By: d</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/09/innovation-manipulation/#comment-234898</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 15:14:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Innovation in the church?

Easy.

&quot;How many people have been saved and baptized?&quot;

One gauge.  One stat.  

Period.

Too bad that churches are so embarrassed by this number that innovation is measured by the fluffy stuff that involve WAY too many meetings and WAY to little time reaching any further than the parking lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Innovation in the church?</p>
<p>Easy.</p>
<p>&#8220;How many people have been saved and baptized?&#8221;</p>
<p>One gauge.  One stat.  </p>
<p>Period.</p>
<p>Too bad that churches are so embarrassed by this number that innovation is measured by the fluffy stuff that involve WAY too many meetings and WAY to little time reaching any further than the parking lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Erik</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/09/innovation-manipulation/#comment-234745</link>
		<dc:creator>Erik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 04:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great question... the term &quot;innovative churches&quot; is over cooked.  innovative is the church finding the way to reach people in a way that no one has thought of or done yet.  the place (not just a church) that originates an unconventional way of reaching people...that most wouldn&#039;t even dare considering.  when it&#039;s voted on and at the top of a list...when it&#039;s at a conference.  it&#039;s not innovative anymore. still chewing on this one...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great question&#8230; the term &#8220;innovative churches&#8221; is over cooked.  innovative is the church finding the way to reach people in a way that no one has thought of or done yet.  the place (not just a church) that originates an unconventional way of reaching people&#8230;that most wouldn&#8217;t even dare considering.  when it&#8217;s voted on and at the top of a list&#8230;when it&#8217;s at a conference.  it&#8217;s not innovative anymore. still chewing on this one&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brad Metzger</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/09/innovation-manipulation/#comment-234743</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad Metzger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 03:52:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The little &quot;cup buddy&quot; cardboard coffee cup holder thingie.  When Sandals got those, I knew innovation was afoot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The little &#8220;cup buddy&#8221; cardboard coffee cup holder thingie.  When Sandals got those, I knew innovation was afoot.</p>
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		<title>By: : )</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/09/innovation-manipulation/#comment-234674</link>
		<dc:creator>: )</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because my church (predominantly white, nondenominational) is so different from my previous churches (predominantly black, Full Gospel Baptist), it all seems innovative to me. : )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because my church (predominantly white, nondenominational) is so different from my previous churches (predominantly black, Full Gospel Baptist), it all seems innovative to me. : )</p>
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		<title>By: Ed from AUS</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/09/innovation-manipulation/#comment-234663</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed from AUS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 22:08:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, Innovation is any church that puts aside its own agendas in order to reach the community for Christ. We live in a selfish world and unfortunately our churches are just as guilty of being selfish. We try so hard to protect &quot;what&#039;s ours&quot; our traditions, our preferences, the way WE want things that we forget that in order to reach the lost we must meet THEIR needs, communicate in their terms and on their turf. Jesus said &quot;Go into all the world...&quot; not &quot;make the world come to you...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, Innovation is any church that puts aside its own agendas in order to reach the community for Christ. We live in a selfish world and unfortunately our churches are just as guilty of being selfish. We try so hard to protect &#8220;what&#8217;s ours&#8221; our traditions, our preferences, the way WE want things that we forget that in order to reach the lost we must meet THEIR needs, communicate in their terms and on their turf. Jesus said &#8220;Go into all the world&#8230;&#8221; not &#8220;make the world come to you&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Hope Mabry</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/09/innovation-manipulation/#comment-234643</link>
		<dc:creator>Hope Mabry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not so opinionated when it comes to innovative ideas for churches, but I love that our church plant here in Scotland hired a non Christian drummer for the worship team.  He got saved like 6 months later.  And he&#039;s a really good drummer too, because he was hired early on.  (He&#039;s volunteers his time now).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not so opinionated when it comes to innovative ideas for churches, but I love that our church plant here in Scotland hired a non Christian drummer for the worship team.  He got saved like 6 months later.  And he&#8217;s a really good drummer too, because he was hired early on.  (He&#8217;s volunteers his time now).</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s a church that is always evaluating and questioning their methods, and thinking of fresh ways to minister, instead of solely copying &quot;successful&quot; church&#039;s methods. Possibly, bad motives are leading to stale churches. The business model is way too dominant in churches, it seems.
Our church has been innovative, mainly because, we openly recognize that there is no formula to doing church. God designed us individually, so we&#039;re going to bring different things to the table with different results, and growing in in different ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s a church that is always evaluating and questioning their methods, and thinking of fresh ways to minister, instead of solely copying &#8220;successful&#8221; church&#8217;s methods. Possibly, bad motives are leading to stale churches. The business model is way too dominant in churches, it seems.<br />
Our church has been innovative, mainly because, we openly recognize that there is no formula to doing church. God designed us individually, so we&#8217;re going to bring different things to the table with different results, and growing in in different ways.</p>
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		<title>By: PatrickJohn</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/09/innovation-manipulation/#comment-234606</link>
		<dc:creator>PatrickJohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, I think of an innovative church as one that has a greater impact on the community. Finding new, fresh, and creative ways of engaging in the community OUTSIDE the walls of the church building is HUGE.
A lot of times I think that the ways are already there.. we just have to engage. (like getting groups of musicians to play in local bars) Not trying to brownnose,, but sweet idea. The ARTS are easy bridges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, I think of an innovative church as one that has a greater impact on the community. Finding new, fresh, and creative ways of engaging in the community OUTSIDE the walls of the church building is HUGE.<br />
A lot of times I think that the ways are already there.. we just have to engage. (like getting groups of musicians to play in local bars) Not trying to brownnose,, but sweet idea. The ARTS are easy bridges.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimi</title>
		<link>http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2008/09/innovation-manipulation/#comment-234602</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 20:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone can be &quot;innovative&quot; if you&#039;ve got a fat budget to work with. Innovation in ministry is spending the majority of the church budget actually reaching people for Christ and serving the poor instead of creating theme park churches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone can be &#8220;innovative&#8221; if you&#8217;ve got a fat budget to work with. Innovation in ministry is spending the majority of the church budget actually reaching people for Christ and serving the poor instead of creating theme park churches.</p>
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