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	<title>Comments on: Should Your Worship Leader GO To Your Church?</title>
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		<title>By: Tonya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tonya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jan 2009 12:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes a worship leader should attend church they need there soul feed as well they r people if they dont get the word in the devil can decieve them just like in other human </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes a worship leader should attend church they need there soul feed as well they r people if they dont get the word in the devil can decieve them just like in other human</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jan 2009 09:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a member at Buckhead, I must say I have had some difficulty with not knowing the worship leaders. And I don&#039;t mean personally, I mean sometimes I don&#039;t even know the names of the people leading me in worship.  Sometimes it causes a disconnect for me personally.  Worship is such a personal thing, I find I have my best worship when its one of the more &quot;regular&quot; guys, because I&#039;ve seen them enough to &quot;know&quot; them or at least have a sense of their heart for Christ, and that helps open my heart to worship faster...if that makes sense.   </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a member at Buckhead, I must say I have had some difficulty with not knowing the worship leaders. And I don&#039;t mean personally, I mean sometimes I don&#039;t even know the names of the people leading me in worship.  Sometimes it causes a disconnect for me personally.  Worship is such a personal thing, I find I have my best worship when its one of the more &quot;regular&quot; guys, because I&#039;ve seen them enough to &quot;know&quot; them or at least have a sense of their heart for Christ, and that helps open my heart to worship faster&#8230;if that makes sense.</p>
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		<title>By: fmckinnon</title>
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		<dc:creator>fmckinnon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 12:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Los, 
I keep clicking the &quot;Mark Unread&quot; button in Google Reader for the last few days, because I *REALLY* wanted to digest this post and the comments. 
 
Overall, I&#039;d say &quot;yes&quot; - they need to be a vital part of the community there.  Then again, I think we have to also answer in regard to how the culture and community are @ NPM.  And I can&#039;t really comment because I&#039;ve not had the pleasure of attending services anywhere except for my visits to Browns Bridge (which I really enjoy). 
 
I know for me - there is a whole segment of folks who after 1-1/2 years, still would rather have the old leader, the old way, the old songs, etc.  But as I pray and do what I know God is calling me to do, I also seek out ways to connect with this demographic on a deeper, more personal level.  For instance, there is a great group of ladies who have this &quot;quilting ministry&quot; (long story), and I always make a point to go in that big room upstairs and say &quot;hi&quot; to them, to hang out a few minutes and just ask questions - who is that quilt for, tell me about the design, what is the significance of that scripture, etc.  One day I walked out of the room and felt like the HOly Spirit whispered to me, &quot;Fred, that 5 minutes just earned you some huge trust and response on Sunday AM&quot;. 
 
Also - how many worship leaders/bands do you really contract?  If it were a rotation of 5 or 6 of them ... I think that connection can still be made - let&#039;s face it, the majority of people in the congregation there probably wouldn&#039;t have &quot;seen&quot; or &quot;had community&quot; with the leader that Sunday, regardless of whether or not they were &quot;on staff&quot; or not, right? 
 
On a different note - I&#039;d love for you to blog and wrestle with this question that I&#039;m constantly wrestling with.... as our environement is similar to NPM&#039;s ... 
 
How can we lead people into an authentic response of worship, yet maintain a &quot;safe environment&quot; for seekers?  I wrestle with that weekly - I believe that if our worship response is authentic, seekers would know that ... but I also know that if people were worshiping wildly (like some services I&#039;ve led throughout the years), that those seekers would probably head for the door ... I dunno ... wrestle, wrestle. 
 
Great post, and though provoking, for sure! 
Happy New Year, 
Fred </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Los,<br />
I keep clicking the &quot;Mark Unread&quot; button in Google Reader for the last few days, because I *REALLY* wanted to digest this post and the comments. </p>
<p>Overall, I&#039;d say &quot;yes&quot; &#8211; they need to be a vital part of the community there.  Then again, I think we have to also answer in regard to how the culture and community are @ NPM.  And I can&#039;t really comment because I&#039;ve not had the pleasure of attending services anywhere except for my visits to Browns Bridge (which I really enjoy). </p>
<p>I know for me &#8211; there is a whole segment of folks who after 1-1/2 years, still would rather have the old leader, the old way, the old songs, etc.  But as I pray and do what I know God is calling me to do, I also seek out ways to connect with this demographic on a deeper, more personal level.  For instance, there is a great group of ladies who have this &quot;quilting ministry&quot; (long story), and I always make a point to go in that big room upstairs and say &quot;hi&quot; to them, to hang out a few minutes and just ask questions &#8211; who is that quilt for, tell me about the design, what is the significance of that scripture, etc.  One day I walked out of the room and felt like the HOly Spirit whispered to me, &quot;Fred, that 5 minutes just earned you some huge trust and response on Sunday AM&quot;. </p>
<p>Also &#8211; how many worship leaders/bands do you really contract?  If it were a rotation of 5 or 6 of them &#8230; I think that connection can still be made &#8211; let&#039;s face it, the majority of people in the congregation there probably wouldn&#039;t have &quot;seen&quot; or &quot;had community&quot; with the leader that Sunday, regardless of whether or not they were &quot;on staff&quot; or not, right? </p>
<p>On a different note &#8211; I&#039;d love for you to blog and wrestle with this question that I&#039;m constantly wrestling with&#8230;. as our environement is similar to NPM&#039;s &#8230; </p>
<p>How can we lead people into an authentic response of worship, yet maintain a &quot;safe environment&quot; for seekers?  I wrestle with that weekly &#8211; I believe that if our worship response is authentic, seekers would know that &#8230; but I also know that if people were worshiping wildly (like some services I&#039;ve led throughout the years), that those seekers would probably head for the door &#8230; I dunno &#8230; wrestle, wrestle. </p>
<p>Great post, and though provoking, for sure!<br />
Happy New Year,<br />
Fred</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Kirkpatrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich Kirkpatrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 06:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it has more to do with the WL knowing the church rather than the church knowing the worship leader. If you want to do more than just lead and experience but also be a part of long term life-change then you have to know your people like the communicator by speaking does. Essentially, us WLers communicate by what we do, too. Same standard should be applied. And, it is about discpling for the long haul, not just a moment. Each moment has to build somewhere.  
 
BTW-love the new design. :) </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it has more to do with the WL knowing the church rather than the church knowing the worship leader. If you want to do more than just lead and experience but also be a part of long term life-change then you have to know your people like the communicator by speaking does. Essentially, us WLers communicate by what we do, too. Same standard should be applied. And, it is about discpling for the long haul, not just a moment. Each moment has to build somewhere.  </p>
<p>BTW-love the new design. <img src='http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Truitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Truitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:44:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yes. </description>
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		<title>By: Bill Whitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill Whitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 05:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish I had some really insightful Scripture to share from Leviticus about this, but I just have my own personal experiences to share.  And, for me, some of my best worship experiences have been with people I don&#039;t know on stage leading. 
 
I like to be a follower.  I like to view the guy on stage as a &quot;professional.&quot;  Then I&#039;m not constantly distracted by thoughts like: &quot;Do you know how rude he is to people at our Wednesday dinner?&quot; or &quot;Why does he always pick certain songs... I could do it better!&quot;  No!  He&#039;s the leader!  So I&#039;ll just follow. 
 
For some reason, that&#039;s easier for me to do at a place like Buckhead than at a little church with somebody I know leading worship.  I&#039;d much prefer being led by a professional who is a bit disconnected from the community than being led by &quot;Joe the Plumber,&quot; the guy I talk to everyday, who stands on stage and tries to sing a song or two really timidly. 
 
All I&#039;m saying is that in my personal experience, a degree of separation helps me enter into worship even more.  Weird, I know!  But that&#039;s just me... </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish I had some really insightful Scripture to share from Leviticus about this, but I just have my own personal experiences to share.  And, for me, some of my best worship experiences have been with people I don&#039;t know on stage leading. </p>
<p>I like to be a follower.  I like to view the guy on stage as a &quot;professional.&quot;  Then I&#039;m not constantly distracted by thoughts like: &quot;Do you know how rude he is to people at our Wednesday dinner?&quot; or &quot;Why does he always pick certain songs&#8230; I could do it better!&quot;  No!  He&#039;s the leader!  So I&#039;ll just follow. </p>
<p>For some reason, that&#039;s easier for me to do at a place like Buckhead than at a little church with somebody I know leading worship.  I&#039;d much prefer being led by a professional who is a bit disconnected from the community than being led by &quot;Joe the Plumber,&quot; the guy I talk to everyday, who stands on stage and tries to sing a song or two really timidly. </p>
<p>All I&#039;m saying is that in my personal experience, a degree of separation helps me enter into worship even more.  Weird, I know!  But that&#039;s just me&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Cole NeSmith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cole NeSmith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m big on relationship.  Whether it&#039;s for a day or a lifetime, I want to engage with people. 
 
I know in our community here in Orlando, the songwriters that are consistently engaged can write songs that are in line with what God is doing in and revealing to us.  There&#039;s something really powerful in that.  In a related way, it&#039;s possible for a perceptive leader to engage with a community for a short time and then lead them well. 
 
The question I ask is not so much &quot;are you a member of our church,&quot; but rather, &quot;while you&#039;re here, are you engaged or removed?&quot; 
 
We have several leaders that come from the cities surrounding orlando to lead at our church.  Their location prevents them from being physically present on a consistent basis.  But they are our friends.  Our hearts are knit together, and we anticipate our times together.  This is vastly different from the distant leader who comes in just because they are hired to.   
 
I guess the bottom line question is, &quot;do we care about you, and do you care about us?&quot; </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m big on relationship.  Whether it&#039;s for a day or a lifetime, I want to engage with people. </p>
<p>I know in our community here in Orlando, the songwriters that are consistently engaged can write songs that are in line with what God is doing in and revealing to us.  There&#039;s something really powerful in that.  In a related way, it&#039;s possible for a perceptive leader to engage with a community for a short time and then lead them well. </p>
<p>The question I ask is not so much &quot;are you a member of our church,&quot; but rather, &quot;while you&#039;re here, are you engaged or removed?&quot; </p>
<p>We have several leaders that come from the cities surrounding orlando to lead at our church.  Their location prevents them from being physically present on a consistent basis.  But they are our friends.  Our hearts are knit together, and we anticipate our times together.  This is vastly different from the distant leader who comes in just because they are hired to.   </p>
<p>I guess the bottom line question is, &quot;do we care about you, and do you care about us?&quot;</p>
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		<title>By: drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 12:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How many of us have attended a church that was fearful of what would happen if that one really good guy (or gal) up there behind the pulpit left?   Kinda skews what the church is really there for, huh? 
 
Big church or small, I&#039;d rather have a rotation of consistently awesome leaders than a single really great one who the church relies on *much* to heavily and who has no viable backup.    
 
And does it matter if the they are regular attenders or members?   Some would say that it depends on size, but I say again, if God is using that group of leaders be heart piercing machines, if doesn&#039;t matter. 
 </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How many of us have attended a church that was fearful of what would happen if that one really good guy (or gal) up there behind the pulpit left?   Kinda skews what the church is really there for, huh? </p>
<p>Big church or small, I&#039;d rather have a rotation of consistently awesome leaders than a single really great one who the church relies on *much* to heavily and who has no viable backup.    </p>
<p>And does it matter if the they are regular attenders or members?   Some would say that it depends on size, but I say again, if God is using that group of leaders be heart piercing machines, if doesn&#039;t matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Stansel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Stansel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Dec 2008 09:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t read all the comments, so I may be repeating what someone else has already said... 
 
But, I guess i feel like every congregation has its own heartbeat and thrives in different circumstances. The only relationship you need in order to worship is with Jesus, not a worship leader. The Spirit can move whether or not a worship leader is an integral part of the church. I can&#039;t think of any scripture that states a command on either side, but if you can, let me know? 
 
That said, I have my ideas about how a church I would attend should function. I would rather the leadership be very close nit and accountable, and that includes the worship pastor. As I&#039;m writing this, I&#039;m wondering about another question: do we even need worship leaders at all? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#039;t read all the comments, so I may be repeating what someone else has already said&#8230; </p>
<p>But, I guess i feel like every congregation has its own heartbeat and thrives in different circumstances. The only relationship you need in order to worship is with Jesus, not a worship leader. The Spirit can move whether or not a worship leader is an integral part of the church. I can&#039;t think of any scripture that states a command on either side, but if you can, let me know? </p>
<p>That said, I have my ideas about how a church I would attend should function. I would rather the leadership be very close nit and accountable, and that includes the worship pastor. As I&#039;m writing this, I&#039;m wondering about another question: do we even need worship leaders at all?</p>
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