Comments on: Welcome To Gay And Lesbian Church Leader Week At Ragamuffin Soul http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2010/03/welcome-to-gay-and-lesbian-church-leader-week-at-ragamuffin-soul/ Carlos Whittaker's Weblog Fri, 10 Feb 2012 08:05:38 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.3 By: Brad http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2010/03/welcome-to-gay-and-lesbian-church-leader-week-at-ragamuffin-soul/#comment-511104 Brad Fri, 01 Jul 2011 23:25:22 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=9660#comment-511104 Eric, this other question you pose is a huge one. I've only met one person in my (short 28 year) life who was born as a hermaphrodite. My heart broke for her as she shared her story. She came to my office to talk about the church I was serving in. When I mentioned that she was the first one I've ever met, she said she was not surprised. There is so much shame that comes with it, and many of "my people" (her words) would never set foot in a church because of a lack of identity. This is a whole other set of discussions that churches need to have. Eric, this other question you pose is a huge one. I’ve only met one person in my (short 28 year) life who was born as a hermaphrodite. My heart broke for her as she shared her story. She came to my office to talk about the church I was serving in. When I mentioned that she was the first one I’ve ever met, she said she was not surprised. There is so much shame that comes with it, and many of “my people” (her words) would never set foot in a church because of a lack of identity. This is a whole other set of discussions that churches need to have.

]]> By: Brad http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2010/03/welcome-to-gay-and-lesbian-church-leader-week-at-ragamuffin-soul/#comment-511103 Brad Fri, 01 Jul 2011 23:15:00 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=9660#comment-511103 Andrew, I've followed you on twitter for a while now, and recently began to wonder about who you really are and what your agenda really is. What I came to realize is that twitter is a medium to share a thought not necessarily a message. Its soundbites, not the whole conversation. Watching your video, with each passing moment, I began to understand who you are and what you are all about. Thank you for saying so elegantly what I wish I could articulate! Same sex attraction is certainly not a sin, it is a temptation. Like wise it is not a sin to turn to food when you should turn to Jesus, and eat until you can not hardly move. ACTION on that temptation is the sin. Jesus was tempted, by the devil in the desert, yet was without sin. Good words, though I am strait, in ministry have very few GLBT friends (that I know of), I am glad to hear more about what you are doing! Keep up the good work, get that message out! Andrew, I’ve followed you on twitter for a while now, and recently began to wonder about who you really are and what your agenda really is. What I came to realize is that twitter is a medium to share a thought not necessarily a message. Its soundbites, not the whole conversation.

Watching your video, with each passing moment, I began to understand who you are and what you are all about. Thank you for saying so elegantly what I wish I could articulate!

Same sex attraction is certainly not a sin, it is a temptation. Like wise it is not a sin to turn to food when you should turn to Jesus, and eat until you can not hardly move. ACTION on that temptation is the sin. Jesus was tempted, by the devil in the desert, yet was without sin.

Good words, though I am strait, in ministry have very few GLBT friends (that I know of), I am glad to hear more about what you are doing! Keep up the good work, get that message out!

]]> By: Disturb and Disrupt – Your View On Sexual Orientation | Ragamuffin Soul http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2010/03/welcome-to-gay-and-lesbian-church-leader-week-at-ragamuffin-soul/#comment-510578 Disturb and Disrupt – Your View On Sexual Orientation | Ragamuffin Soul Wed, 22 Jun 2011 19:37:09 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=9660#comment-510578 [...] Before you think we have never tackled this on the blog… Please… Read… These… When I talk to my gay friends, and I only have 3 so I’m not getting all Barna up on you, I [...] [...] Before you think we have never tackled this on the blog… Please… Read… These… When I talk to my gay friends, and I only have 3 so I’m not getting all Barna up on you, I [...]

]]> By: Steve http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2010/03/welcome-to-gay-and-lesbian-church-leader-week-at-ragamuffin-soul/#comment-510452 Steve Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:41:39 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=9660#comment-510452 "His Word is clear on this subject"--that's YOUR perspective. It's not clear to me at all. “His Word is clear on this subject”–that’s YOUR perspective. It’s not clear to me at all.

]]> By: Jennifer Gehrisch http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2010/03/welcome-to-gay-and-lesbian-church-leader-week-at-ragamuffin-soul/#comment-414166 Jennifer Gehrisch Thu, 09 Sep 2010 01:12:23 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=9660#comment-414166 God does not reject us for committing other sins those present in the ten commandments etc. why should our sexual preference be any different? The topic is a lengthy research one.Just a thought God does not reject us for committing other sins those present in the ten commandments etc. why should our sexual preference be any different? The topic is a lengthy research one.Just a thought

]]> By: Dano http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2010/03/welcome-to-gay-and-lesbian-church-leader-week-at-ragamuffin-soul/#comment-381829 Dano Wed, 05 May 2010 04:01:38 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=9660#comment-381829 Consider this: Is it really loving the heterosexual community to accept their sin? You may not understand this but PEOPLE KNOW THEY ARE SINNERS. You needent point it out. This was not the prectice of Christ, either. Who's sins did he point out in public? The Pharisees, (the church folk) In fact he rebuked them. The only person he spoke to naming her sin was the woman at the well, and they were alone. The lost are sinners wether they sin or not. Let them know that their is a savior who loves them. For the GLBT folk. thats the part of the message they may not have heard. They already know the rest believe me. Consider this: Is it really loving the heterosexual community to accept their sin?
You may not understand this but PEOPLE KNOW THEY ARE SINNERS. You needent point it out. This was not the prectice of Christ, either. Who’s sins did he point out in public? The Pharisees, (the church folk) In fact he rebuked them. The only person he spoke to naming her sin was the woman at the well, and they were alone. The lost are sinners wether they sin or not. Let them know that their is a savior who loves them. For the GLBT folk. thats the part of the message they may not have heard. They already know the rest believe me.

]]> By: Dano http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2010/03/welcome-to-gay-and-lesbian-church-leader-week-at-ragamuffin-soul/#comment-381825 Dano Wed, 05 May 2010 03:50:08 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=9660#comment-381825 Being born into this world makes us sinners. Christ died for the man who commits 1 sin as much as the man who commits 1,000,000.sins. They are both alike under sin until they understand the need for a savior and accept the Forgiveness that Christ provided 2000 yrs ago. Let us all realize that we are bew creatures in Christ. Being born into this world makes us sinners. Christ died for the man who commits 1 sin as much as the man who commits 1,000,000.sins. They are both alike under sin until they understand the need for a savior and accept the Forgiveness that Christ provided 2000 yrs ago. Let us all realize that we are bew creatures in Christ.

]]> By: Dano http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2010/03/welcome-to-gay-and-lesbian-church-leader-week-at-ragamuffin-soul/#comment-381815 Dano Wed, 05 May 2010 03:15:55 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=9660#comment-381815 I dont recall Jesus claiming he was straight either. Yet he was certainly tempted with women. He knew who he was. Not homosexual. Certainly not normal by the cultures standards. Would Jeus scall himself straight today in our culture? I doubt it. He would stick with his true identity. I dont recall Jesus claiming he was straight either. Yet he was certainly tempted with women. He knew who he was. Not homosexual. Certainly not normal by the cultures standards. Would Jeus scall himself straight today in our culture? I doubt it. He would stick with his true identity.

]]> By: Dano http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2010/03/welcome-to-gay-and-lesbian-church-leader-week-at-ragamuffin-soul/#comment-381808 Dano Wed, 05 May 2010 03:00:33 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=9660#comment-381808 What about non practicing murderers? Sorry Saul. Guess someone else will have to get the name Paul and write half the new testament. Okay on a more serious note. IMO When someone presents themselves for accountability you dont throw them overboard. And its not my job or yours to say who can or can't preach. Unless we are given that authority in that fellowship at that time I must humbly state: its really not any of our business. I could rail about Preachers who slander over the airwaves and teach false doctrine. What good does it do? Let ME set the example of what Christ says is right. What about non practicing murderers? Sorry Saul. Guess someone else will have to get the name Paul and write half the new testament. Okay on a more serious note. IMO When someone presents themselves for accountability you dont throw them overboard. And its not my job or yours to say who can or can’t preach. Unless we are given that authority in that fellowship at that time I must humbly state: its really not any of our business. I could rail about Preachers who slander over the airwaves and teach false doctrine. What good does it do? Let ME set the example of what Christ says is right.

]]> By: Dano http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2010/03/welcome-to-gay-and-lesbian-church-leader-week-at-ragamuffin-soul/#comment-381798 Dano Wed, 05 May 2010 02:29:33 +0000 http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/?p=9660#comment-381798 At 50 I dont deal with the sexual temtation that much any more. Yes I feel joy when I recognize that something which once was temptation has lost its appeal. Is it wrong for me to think that the emotional desires asssciated with same gender attraction may not ever make that list? Should they? At 50 I dont deal with the sexual temtation that much any more. Yes I feel joy when I recognize that something which once was temptation has lost its appeal. Is it wrong for me to think that the emotional desires asssciated with same gender attraction may not ever make that list? Should they?

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